Talk:Frederick

Dear Frederick, I appriciate what you are doing on the Wiki, but I would prefer it if you would refrain from simply renaming sections on pages, for example renaming "Overview" to "Game Description" on the Empire Total War Units. As a member of the TWC Wiki staff, I would ask you to please re edit the pages you changed so that that that section is still named "Overview". Of course you may retain the section you put in, but I would greatly appreciate it if you could rename it "Tactics." For an example of exactly how a page should look, please refer to the 12 pounder foot artillery page, which I have corrected and completed. The reason I ask is that we do have a standard layout which we are implementing for all the units for ETW and NTW, and will eventually roll out to the other games, and we would appreciate it if that were not fiddled with, since it means more work at our end. Regards, Tango12345 09:05, 18 September 2011 (MDT)

Its impossible for me or anyone else to keep track of every single edit that goes on-note also that most of us have been on holiday up until about 3 weeks ago, and the wiki is a very large thing to police, considering there are only two fully active wiki adminstrators, and one of them is also a TWC Staff Moderator. What also didn't help is that I was working on the categories etc for units you had not yet edited, and well as a load of admin tasks which hadn't been done for at least 2 years, and as such had no idea what you were doing until 3 days ago. Rest assured I acted on it as soon as I could, as ever. Your information is useful, but we don't like it when people rename sections or delete huge reams of stuff (not that you actually did that, I only mention it for completeness). What is also not good to put on the wiki are sections like "Trivia" (this isn't a place for random info, that kind of thing can usually be put in the overview or tactics sections) and matters of opinion (a wiki is a place for fact, not opinion). However, I will thank you for actually editing the wiki and adding things to it, not enough people do that seriously. Tango12345 02:20, 19 September 2011 (MDT)

"Unit Overview" does not have enough of a difference in title from the actual overview above it (I'm looking at the line infantry page you just edited). Would you mind renaming it to something else? "Information" or "Details" will do.Tango12345 11:57, 21 September 2011 (MDT)

That would be perfect. Tango12345 06:11, 22 September 2011 (MDT)

Since there are only 3 government types it would be better to put those on the main Empire Total War page, likewise with the tech tree. Neither of those really warrant their own article. By all means put the information up though. Upkeep and training costs etc can have their own page (under "Unit Costs" or somesuch), as can Experience, but they would have to refer to all the TW games not just ETW-these are traits that all the games share in much the same way. Company strength and firepower are not really needed-I can't see how one can have a huge amount of info on that other than what is already clear. Tango12345 11:10, 12 October 2011 (MDT)

No, that is not necessary for two reasons. The first is that it is an incredibly difficult and time consuming job to undertake, and second that info is the first thing to be changed when anyone mods the game. There is also the fact that some of the values are bugged and don't show up in the game correctly. I will get around to dealing with the unit table templates eventually, to incorporate that info, but it will not happen yet. Tango12345 09:04, 20 October 2011 (MDT)

A quick word of advice on your edits. Please try to avoid value judgements like "fabulously" etc. A comment on how good/bad a unit or starting position is fine and a good idea, but please back it up and whatever you do don't leave it looking like nothing more than an opinion. That is much better for the wiki quality wise. Tango12345 15:44, 12 April 2012 (MDT)

Yes, and about my advice? Tango12345 13:17, 14 April 2012 (MDT)

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Hey Frederick,

First of all, I would like to thank you for all the work you have been doing here for TWC wiki, it's pretty good & we appreciate all the help you have been giving us. Secondly I would like to ask you whether do you have an account on TWC forums? If not then I would like to request that you make one by registering there, as I would like to recruit you as an official wiki editor of TWC wiki that will grant you a broader view of things, if, you're interested in further contributing.

Regards

Ishan 07:52, 5 June 2012 (MDT) (Wiki Director)

Frederick did you see Ishan's comment above? I am now Wiki Director not him but the offer still stands. Tango12345 01:45, 10 December 2012 (MST)

Then I will take your response as a no and leave it at that. I would however advise you to keep an eye on the recent changes page before regarding something as dead, because this wiki is not. You just can't see the wiki staff forum on TWC and the plans I have laid out there in the last couple of weeks, which is fair enough as you don't appear to have a TWC account and certainly aren't TWC staff. Tango12345 11:38, 11 December 2012 (MST)

You know, the best thing about a wiki talk page is that I know what is written there even if it is subsequently deleted ;). You were correct, in a way. For quite a while the game areas of the wiki were pretty much abandoned and mod pages varied wildy, though "dead" is too strong a term as that would require no edits at all. That isn't the case any more however, and we've started by commencing a long-overdue upgrade of the ETW unit pages. Tango12345 07:30, 6 February 2013 (MST)

That requires you to have a TWC user account-do you have one? Tango12345 17:09, 14 March 2013 (MDT)

Various responses

Well, you require a TWC account to be a member of the wiki staff, so if you still wish to apply that needs to be done first.

I don't think such a note is necessary on each and every page. If the same standard is used for every unit info table, it becomes irrelevant.

Unit stats are almost always the first thing that a mod changes, and they vary on unit difficulty. We came to the decision as the Wiki Team not to bother.

This wiki could benefit from a lot of things. If you want to make a tech page for a game go ahead. I would avoid doing the buildings however, as those will be the next big job for the wiki team after the units.

Tango12345 09:40, 26 March 2013 (MDT)

And what, might I ask, makes the unit pages inconsistent in format. They are all done with ultra unit sizes and the page layouts are identical on all pages that have been updated. Heck, there were 5 different kinds of info table before which are now being reduced to one. What has every unit page being done with ultra unit size got to do with lack of consistency?

In short, no. The unit size is the only exception to the rule because it shows up on the unit thumbnails and is often a decent guide to how good/what role a unit plays.

Tango12345 09:56, 26 March 2013 (MDT)

Then it seems you misunderstood what I wrote. I never so much as mentioned consistency except that if all pages went by the same standards, simply having the unit sizes for all units set at ultra in the tables is not going to confuse anyone and therefore having it spelled out to them is not relevant(it was a direct response to where you wrote I find the tables for the units highly lacking. For one, they only display the amount of units on ultra settings. Would it be too much to make a note on the side that "This is on ultra settings"?) .

The info tables have now been finalised and will not change any time in the short or medium term. We thought over this in staff and I'm not going to backtrack on the decision. That is my final decision on that particular subject. If you want to put ranges and whatever in, feel free, but you will have to put them in the body of the article.

Tango12345 13:19, 26 March 2013 (MDT)

Hmm, does it come up with a message when you can't post or is it just the site being unstable (which would be 500 and 403 errors)? Tango12345 16:02, 11 April 2013 (MDT)

Ah, that would be the anti-spam. I would suggest you post a few times in the ETW or other game-related section of the board and try and get some posts that way. Once you have more than 4 then your posts won't be scanned any more. Tango12345 01:58, 12 April 2013 (MDT)

Apologies for not telling you this earlier (my fault entirely-got side-tracked with other things). If you still want to join the Wiki team I am going to need you to send me a pm on TWC itself, so I can pass that to Administration for them to sort out site permissions and whatnot. If you want to do that just pm me whenever you wish-there is a link for that on my own wiki page. Tango12345 07:05, 29 April 2013 (MDT)